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/int/ 39418314: I think the US needs to get rid of NATO, and form a new...

kurafire Avatar
kurafire:#39418314

I think the US needs to get rid of NATO, and form a new alliance. Who else wants in?

turkutuuli Avatar
turkutuuli:#39418329

Poland

hota_v Avatar
hota_v:#39418350

Nobody else should be allowed in.

Also, open borders between those countries.

ninjad3m0 Avatar
ninjad3m0:#39418351

>>39418314
Why don't we just get out, and go it alone.

nerrsoft Avatar
nerrsoft:#39418364

>>39418351
Because not even Drumpf is as retarded as you.

danro Avatar
danro:#39418377

Please, don't leave Poland alone. Our neighbours will kill us all again.

vovkasolovev Avatar
vovkasolovev:#39418384

Mexico.

fritzronel Avatar
fritzronel:#39418389

Not me

iamglimy Avatar
iamglimy:#39418405

Why doesn't America just forcibly annex Western European countries and force them through a long campaign of cultural assimilation and enforcement of the English language?

They can even open the gate to various unwanted segments of American society to Europe while forcing large numbers of Europeans to move to the American mainland, permanently changing Europe's demographic composition.

iamglimy Avatar
iamglimy:#39418406

Ireland can come if they leave the EU

melvindidit Avatar
melvindidit:#39418410

Classic 4cancer thread.

splashing75 Avatar
splashing75:#39418416

>>39418405
how about we just ship the niggers back to africa and leave it at that

christianoliff Avatar
christianoliff:#39418417

Build a moat along the Mexican border, you've just created Oceania

samscouto Avatar
samscouto:#39418436

>>39418417
>Build a moat along the Mexican border,

half of it is already a river dummy

illyzoren Avatar
illyzoren:#39418447

>>39418410
How is this 4kanker? I've been here for years, and never once posted on 4kanker.

>>39418351
Total isolationism won't help us much, both economically and defensively. It's good to have "bases" in each continent, to not just defend our best allies but our economic interests in those places.

jacobbennett Avatar
jacobbennett:#39418463

>>39418416
hop on board then, cunt

raquelwilson Avatar
raquelwilson:#39418477

>>39418364
We do the most anyway and pay the most, we don't need them.

bluesix Avatar
bluesix:#39418478

>>39418447
> to not just defend our best allies but our economic interests in those places.

Having bases abroad is like creating defences around your country. The potential enemy must first attack countries with bases inside before it decides to attack the USA directly in the future.

peterlandt Avatar
peterlandt:#39418484

>>39418436
Is that why they're called wetbacks?

ovall Avatar
ovall:#39418490

le anglo east asian alliance

vovkasolovev Avatar
vovkasolovev:#39418504

>>39418463
i'm not a nigger tho

grantrobinson Avatar
grantrobinson:#39418507

>>39418484
yes actually

yigitpinarbasi Avatar
yigitpinarbasi:#39418513

>>39418478
They'll only attack once. It better be a good one.

jpotts18 Avatar
jpotts18:#39418520

>>39418477
Kinda do need allies if you wanna continue controlling the oceans. Don't want to end up inward looking like other empires.

clubb3rry Avatar
clubb3rry:#39418533

>>39418507
Nice

davidbaldie Avatar
davidbaldie:#39418542

Can Netherlands join????

olgary Avatar
olgary:#39418551

>>39418477
No we don't 'need' them but the Anglosphere is so close to us it's in our interest to keep them aligned to us.

Shitholes like Poland can fuck off though

bobwassermann Avatar
bobwassermann:#39418552

>>39418520
Everyone complains about our bases. I say we close them and let them fend for themselves.

orkuncaylar Avatar
orkuncaylar:#39418557

>>39418542
Yes but only because of William III

Netherlands je Anglo

alagoon Avatar
alagoon:#39418563

>>39418552
If it was such a one sided deal they would've been closed ages ago

oskamaya Avatar
oskamaya:#39418567

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization

Shriiiiimp Avatar
Shriiiiimp:#39418570

>>39418551
No please, we pay our fee. Don't leave us alone, we don't want to be under Russia. Not again.

thomweerd Avatar
thomweerd:#39418571

>>39418551
> Shitholes like Poland can fuck off though

Why?! What did we do to you, faggot?

alta1r Avatar
alta1r:#39418573

>>39418551
Poland has been one of the most loyal. I would be sad to lose them.

areus Avatar
areus:#39418574

Why do they need Japan. Is even more kcmoded than germany.

jamesmbickerton Avatar
jamesmbickerton:#39418584

>>39418574
> Why do they need Japan.

It is close to China and can be used to attack it

HenryHoffman Avatar
HenryHoffman:#39418592

>>39418571
be butthurt and trying to drag us into wars

dwardt Avatar
dwardt:#39418596

Cold war isn't a thing anymore, so Nato is basically a way of europeans to get USA to bankroll their armies. Pretty pathetic, instead of having an european force or something like that, they literally use Russia as a virtual threat way beyond the fall of USSR.

leonfedotov Avatar
leonfedotov:#39418597

>>39418574
Best tech, strategic location

jajodia_saket Avatar
jajodia_saket:#39418601

>>39418574
>Is even more kcmoded than germany.

They just voted to remilitarize last year

adammarsbar Avatar
adammarsbar:#39418607

>>39418592
We're butthurt about Russia only, we love the US.

You must be Russian proxy.

alexcican Avatar
alexcican:#39418609

>>39418592

If Russia attacked Poland, we would be steamrolled, not the USA, though. So in fact we don't want the war, but some US-elites would gladly earn on it, i bet.

exevil Avatar
exevil:#39418613

>>39418570

It's inevitable, one day, Russia and Poland will be as one.

splashing75 Avatar
splashing75:#39418620

>>39418613

So we choose to be nuked then.

tmstrada Avatar
tmstrada:#39418633

>>39418613
no, it's like a nightmare

I had a nightmare about Poland being part of Russia actually and it was horrible

motionthinks Avatar
motionthinks:#39418654

>>39418633
Poland and Russia is just like Palestine and Israel, isn't it?
Same people fighting over something they can't remember.

langate Avatar
langate:#39418656

>>39418574
Advance country, one of the most Pro-American, basically an island aircraft carrier. Close to China and North Korea, good location for economic purposes also. We should withdraw most of our military and let them rearm, but still be allies to counter any threat by china immediately. Oh I almost forgot about taiwan too.

bobwassermann Avatar
bobwassermann:#39418671

>>39418633
Kek, i really had a dream about Russian occupation - Roosians kicked me out from my house, gave it to Russian settlers, put me to the train and transported to mainland Russia. They forced me to live in a crumbling wooden house with fecal stalagmites inside and work for 100 dollar 16 hours / day in factory producing nuclear missiles.

karsh Avatar
karsh:#39418672

>>39418656
I wish there was a paradox-type game in a more modern setting where I can play as the US. Some post-WW2 grand strategy game at least.

jqueryalmeida Avatar
jqueryalmeida:#39418675

>>39418671
> They forced me to live in a crumbling wooden house with fecal stalagmites inside and work for 100 dollar 16 hours / day in factory producing nuclear missiles.

Soul!

sokaniwaal Avatar
sokaniwaal:#39418682

>>39418609
Poland is a difficult choice, because it'll inevitably draw us into a war with either Germany or Russia, because of it's location. If you noticed, all of the others are either islands or on the American continent. As a Sea power, they are easier to defend, while Poland is tucked away inside Europe. I think we could have a mutal defence pact with Poland, but it'd be difficult to make it part of a large military alliance.

deviljho_ Avatar
deviljho_:#39418687

If I was the american political establishment I would demand european countries to follow my foreign policy, otherwise I would dissolve Nato.

alexradsby Avatar
alexradsby:#39418689

>>39418654
lol no

Israelis and Palestinians are both expansive warmongers

Poland wants only peace, we don't want anything from anyone, especially any clay. It's just Russia that wants to conquer us and turn us into a shithole again and again, they have been trying to do it for 200 years already and we're fed up with it.

Russians know that their empire can't exist without Poland - subdued and turned into slavery. but we don't want to have anything to do with them.

mshwery Avatar
mshwery:#39418707

>>39418682
Germany is irrelevant and peaceful, while Russia will drag you into a war even without Poland, it's in their genes.

teylorfeliz Avatar
teylorfeliz:#39418740

Can we join new alliance?

lisakey1986 Avatar
lisakey1986:#39418741

>>39418654
American tier post, are you the /pol/ Aussie?

danro Avatar
danro:#39418747

>>39418689
Poland wasn't a shithole when it was a part of Russian Empire.

fritzronel Avatar
fritzronel:#39418752

>>39418707
Russia acts so frantically because it realizes its hopeless situation that can lead to disintegration of this country in next decade to come. Russia tries to improve its geopolitical situation through conquest - in the shadow of American-Chinese confrontation.

That's why i think that if Poland wants to go through this period without much risk, we should join nuclear sharing program.

dmackerman Avatar
dmackerman:#39418766

>>39418747
How can one be a part of a shithole without becoming a shithole?

bouyghajden Avatar
bouyghajden:#39418772

>>39418747
I don't even want to explain such things to you, because it's futile, Russians are retarded anyway and brainwashed by their propaganda.

samscouto Avatar
samscouto:#39418782

>>39418607
Polen pls, you're basically proposing a "I'll bark, you'll bite" alliance because all you can ever do is bark. Alliances are not dog packs, they don't need that useless little fucker that starts barking at everything and aggros the whole pack.

trueblood_33 Avatar
trueblood_33:#39418792

>>39418772
Poles on kc are seem to be more brainwashed. Especially atlanta.

joeymurdah Avatar
joeymurdah:#39418794

>>39418782
Poland is the best place to set up a military base in Europe.

rdbannon Avatar
rdbannon:#39418805

Chile are pretty adorable. Can we invite them?

malgordon Avatar
malgordon:#39418810

>>39418792
sure, because we don't believe in your propaganda no one in the world believes except for Russians

iamgarth Avatar
iamgarth:#39418811

>>39418782
Poland is 5th strongest army of NATO though, and a country of 40 mln. We do matter in strategic calculations, especially considering the fact that we are placed in very important place of Eurasia - on the border between Rimland and Heartland. Everybody who has control over Poland has a privileged position in Eurasia and can project power against Western Europe without any obstacles.

yassiryahya Avatar
yassiryahya:#39418837

>>39418811
>Everybody who has control over Poland has a privileged position in Eurasia
Nice try.

juaumlol Avatar
juaumlol:#39418840

>>39418837
Looks like you are too stupid to understand rules of geopolitics.

mefahad Avatar
mefahad:#39418866

Realistically and not roleplaying, I think Poland will be in our bloc in the upcoming conflict. Maybe some small countries in Continental Europe will also be on our side but none relevant/reliable. Germany won't join us. France will either refuse to join us or nominally join but be unreliable.

aio___ Avatar
aio___:#39418884

>>39418866
>the upcoming conflict

404

andychipster Avatar
andychipster:#39418896

>>39418866
What upcoming conflict?

nerrsoft Avatar
nerrsoft:#39418908

>>39418896
The final conflict

karalek Avatar
karalek:#39418911

>>39418866
What upcoming conflict

haydn_woods Avatar
haydn_woods:#39418928

>>39418896
>>39418911
Why worry?

pf_creative Avatar
pf_creative:#39418929

>>39418908

saarabpreet Avatar
saarabpreet:#39418940

>>39418929

Its an ends.

nelshd Avatar
nelshd:#39418952

Russian agent tier

csteib Avatar
csteib:#39418976

>>39418952
implying the countries in red couldn't beat russia + europe easily

robinlayfield Avatar
robinlayfield:#39418983

Poles are funny. Looks like almost every slav nation have this "we are center of the world" mentality.

vicivadeline Avatar
vicivadeline:#39418986

>no germans in this thread yet

I wonder why

jonesdigidesign Avatar
jonesdigidesign:#39418994

>>39418986
theyre in the refugees thread

davidtoltesy Avatar
davidtoltesy:#39419008

>>39418983

Poland is fucking important geopolitically, idiot. Everybody who controls Poland has a geopolitical supremacy in Eurasia. If the West controls Poland, then it can project power against Russia without risking war on its territory. If Russia controls Poland, then it can easily project power against the West. You got that? Poland is placed ideally on the border between Rimland and Heartland, that's why we always were an arena of big wars.

robinlayfield Avatar
robinlayfield:#39419029

>>39419008
>supremacy in Eurasia
I can understand your point in case of Europe but Asia, that's just silly.

ritapetrilli87 Avatar
ritapetrilli87:#39419060

>>39419029
I am using 'Eurasia' term in purpose. Principle of combined vessels. Mackinder doctrine. If Russia managed to dominate Poland and then - naturally - Germany, it would make Russia a comparable threat to the balance in Eurasia as China is now - the balance wouldn't be destroyed only in continental Europe but in Eurasia as a whole.

antonkudin Avatar
antonkudin:#39419083

>>39419008
> Poland is fucking important geopolitically, idiot. Everybody who controls Poland has a geopolitical supremacy in Eurasia. If the West controls Poland, then it can project power against Russia without risking war on its territory. If Russia controls Poland, then it can easily project power against the West. You got that? Poland is placed ideally on the border between Rimland and Heartland, that's why we always were an arena of big wars.

that's why all political divisions (partitions) of poland were always cutting poland in half....

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