So I was speaking with a guy who was in Berlin and he said its practically impossible to get a job in IT in Germany without a university diploma, which is weird since pretty much everywhere else I heard they take people based on skills
Is he right? is having a paper saying you finished a bunch of courses that important over there?
PS: sorry for the english, I only know basic german and google translate sucks
You will get a job without a uni degree such as BSc or MSc, but you will need at least need an education before they will hire you. Or at the very least a couple of years work experience in a non-shit IT company (include references or be ignored).
There are cases where people got SE jobs without any proof of education whatsoever, but those are few and far between.
Germans have a huge hardon for official documents that you passed some retarded test (at least the chamber of commerce one, which is babby tier, but it still takes 2-3 years to get it done).
t. uni dropout who is now a trainee and gets fuckall for pay even though I code better than most junior devs fuck statistics II
I am better than my teachers in vocational school. No surprise there, 2nd year and they're teaching us the basics of OOP. Just fuck my shit up fam.
>but you will need at least need an education before they will hire you
What, like being a college dropout? or you mean basic stuff like a highschool diploma?
>There are cases where people got SE jobs without any proof of education whatsoever
By proof you mean no uni degree or....?
Don't they ask you for a portfolio of projects or your public repos over there?
>the chamber of commerce one, which is babby tier, but it still takes 2-3 years to get it done
Is that because of a certification process or the length is fixed just because?
>t. uni dropout who is now a trainee and gets fuckall for pay even though I code better than most junior devs
That sucks man, have you tried maybe applying to a job in a market where they don't care about papers? I got a friend in london and they don't give a damn about degrees and other crap there. Neither in australia though that's not exactly next door.
>I am better than my teachers in vocational school.
Heh, that was one of the reasons I dropped out. Like the saying goes: those who can't do, teach
I had a teacher that had no work experience at all, the moment he got a CS degree he started teaching.
Next time you better pass statistics Mister salty
>What, like being a college dropout? or you mean basic stuff like a highschool diploma?
Some kind of IT related education. Vocational training is still big in Germany.
Programming is a shit career choice in Germany anyway. There is barely an industry, you'll most likely get stuck maintaining some 20 year old in-house application, nobody in the company knows what you're doing, pay is shit, and then there's the certificate fetish.
Wtf? Programming is always a good choice. Better than accounting or some other stupid low-tier economics shit. But yes, i got your point. You wont get much as a programmer in germany compared to other countries.
Programming is that gateway to a higher IT career.
And you do not need even one paper to get into your first programming job. Show some private projects and youre in. The number of open programming jobs is over 9k
>And you do not need even one paper to get into your first programming job. Show some private projects and youre in.
Lol, not in Germany
Most companies here require you to go through some testing phase first, e.g. you get a time limited contract with a very short time during which they will throw some problems at you and see how you react and wether your skills are up for the job.
Having a proper degree greatly improves your chance of making it that far.
Also, there are some companies who don't know shit about IT, they'd hire anyone because they don't even know how to properly interview applicants on their IT skills. They also also tend to have utopic ideas about what IT will do for their business and tend to dissappear within the next years.
I started 5 years ago as a programmer without a shitty thin paper certificate. In the first two weeks they were able to check my nerd skills and so is was very easy to deploy my ssh key to every fucking root user in the company. Now they cant kick me and i am payed a shitload of moneybags. Real story bruh
uni dropout here, moved to sweden got job as senior consultant and do R&D with my own budget and HW now.
Cant complain. Just avoid germany.
> there are some companies who don't know shit about IT
You have to avoid these like the plague.
If you are good you can choose where you want to work, everyone needs good software people.