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/int/ 43466972: General Border Gore: Upper michigan and Wisconsin.

murrayswift Avatar
murrayswift:#43466972

Michigan is not only the peninsula, the upper part seperated by the lake is also considered michigan.

Why the fuck isn't the upper part a part of Wisconsin? I mean,other states have beautiful straight lines such as Colorado, couldn't they do the same thing the the former French land?
Is there any historical reason?

adriancogliano Avatar
adriancogliano:#43467046

Who cares, it doesn't make it worse tbh

crhysdave Avatar
crhysdave:#43467071

Probably no one is living here so no problem.

shalt0ni Avatar
shalt0ni:#43467072

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
How come Americans did war against themselves?

rawdiggie Avatar
rawdiggie:#43467074

>>43467046
Tell me history of midwest

jonesdigidesign Avatar
jonesdigidesign:#43467080

straight lines everywhere else but when there are lakes nearby to help make nice state borders the US still makes a mess.
How?

murrayswift Avatar
murrayswift:#43467125

>>43467072
>Congress proposed a compromise whereby Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange for its statehood and about three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula.

Ah, now I see.
but wtf, I don't understand, to whom did the upper peninsula belong to before Michigan got it?

safrankov Avatar
safrankov:#43467180

>>43467125
It was probably unorganized territory.

All of the great lakes states were former French territory that the Brits won during the Seven Year's war (ended barely a decade before our own independence war), and hadn't been much colonized yet. The current capital of Michigan, Lansing, was founded by confused New Yorkers who had gotten scammed into buying undevveloped property in the middle of nowhere.

jonesdigidesign Avatar
jonesdigidesign:#43467240

>>43467180
Ah, so wisconsin was also non-existent when upper peninsula was ceded to michigan?

>Confused New Yorkers who had gotten scammed into buying undevveloped property in the middle of nowhere.

lol, how the fuck did that happen

syntetyc Avatar
syntetyc:#43467287

When the Michigan Territory was first established in 1805, it included only the Lower Peninsula and the eastern portion of the Upper Peninsula. In 1819, the territory was expanded to include the remainder of the Upper Peninsula, all of Wisconsin, and part of Minnesota (previously included in the Indiana and Illinois Territories). When Michigan was preparing for statehood in the 1830s, the boundaries proposed corresponded to the original territorial boundaries, with some proposals even leaving the Upper Peninsula out entirely. Meanwhile, the territory was involved in a border dispute with the state of Ohio in a conflict known as the Toledo War.

The people of Michigan approved a constitution in May 1835 and elected state officials in late autumn 1835. Although the state government was not yet recognized by the United States Congress, the territorial government effectively ceased to exist. A constitutional convention of the state legislature refused a compromise to accept the full Upper Peninsula in exchange for ceding the Toledo Strip to Ohio. A second convention, hastily convened by Governor Stevens Thomson Mason, consisting primarily of Mason supporters, agreed in December 1836 to accept the U.P. in exchange for the Toledo Strip.

andychipster Avatar
andychipster:#43467298

Michigan seems cosy
t.sufjan stevens pro

intertarik Avatar
intertarik:#43467313

>>43467240
Iirc there was supposed to already be a town there but when they showed up there was nothing but a swamp. The "town" (only existed on paper) was supposed to have a different name but they renamed it after their own original town in New York state.

anaami Avatar
anaami:#43467389

>>43467287
>In 1819, the territory was expanded to include the remainder of the Upper Peninsula, all of Wisconsin, and part of Minnesota (previously included in the Indiana and Illinois Territories).

So wisconsin was michigan back then?
How did they lose wisconsin?