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/int/ 43467864: Would it be fair to say that without Putin's strong...

vicivadeline Avatar
vicivadeline:#43467864

Would it be fair to say that without Putin's strong and skillful leadership the Russian Federation would disintegrate into independent republics like the Soviet Union did?

lightory Avatar
lightory:#43467890

No, even under leadership of fuking Boris the Yeltsin, the only Russian state that seceded was Chechnya.

bighanddesign Avatar
bighanddesign:#43467912

>>43467890

Oh come on, it would be cool, imagine 200 Russias instead of one.

jonesdigidesign Avatar
jonesdigidesign:#43467916

>>43467890
Yeah. Most parts of this land is abosluetly same shit, even where local population technically not russians. Only some caucasian and tatar republics cand do it, others - meh, don't really

velagapati Avatar
velagapati:#43467934

> Russian Federation would disintegrate
And disarm. And that would be good for everyone including r*ssians themselves.

zackeeler Avatar
zackeeler:#43467942

>>43467864
Which of them are "independent", i wonder?

albertodebo Avatar
albertodebo:#43467965

>>43467934
Delusional

bassamology Avatar
bassamology:#43467978

Soviet Union was around ~50% Russian with some very large minorities. Russia is ~82% Russian with largest minority being 3.5%

kennyadr Avatar
kennyadr:#43467980

european russia from Smolensk to Ural and Workuta-Astrachan would be better than this colossus on clay legs

joynalrab Avatar
joynalrab:#43468007

>>43467965
tbh I don't care if they would live better or worse or all of them die.
I support Navalny because I hope that Russia would dissolve and disarm and it stop treatening Ukraine and other neighbors. And fuck off from occupied territories like Kuban' or Crimea.

peterlandt Avatar
peterlandt:#43468019

>>43467978
Russia is 19% muslim.

mauriolg Avatar
mauriolg:#43468028

>>43467934
We all see how parts of Russia live on Ukrainian example.

matt3224 Avatar
matt3224:#43468031

>>43467980
Without Siberia we'd be just poorer. And even less ethnically homogeneous.

suprb Avatar
suprb:#43468041

It's true. So Russia will turn into Dark Ages. Horde times.

BrianPurkiss Avatar
BrianPurkiss:#43468045

>>43468028
Ukraine's main problem was Russian influence and bullying before maidan. And now it's invaded by Russia.
If it wasn't bullied by russia it would be on level of Poland and Estonia.

yigitpinarbasi Avatar
yigitpinarbasi:#43468052

>>43468019
Should increase it 2-3 times to get to European level.

grrr_nl Avatar
grrr_nl:#43468054

>>43468031
you would still have a lot of oil and gas
tatarstan, arctic sea, caspian sea etc

illyzoren Avatar
illyzoren:#43468058

Can't wait for the russian tribal wars after Putin dies.

antonyryndya Avatar
antonyryndya:#43468069

>>43468045
Ukraine is so awful because of quarrels with Russia. For example Belarus isn't rich, yet it is 2-3 times richer than Ukraine and in some aspects even cozier than Russia.

linux29 Avatar
linux29:#43468070

>>43467934
That pic is cringeworthy. How many of the former Soviet republics have "normal life" different from Russia in a good way? Three?

sketi_ndlela Avatar
sketi_ndlela:#43468072

>>43468007
But navalny want strong army and keep crime back
What he want is create powerfull nation with powerfull economy in current borders

>Kuban'
Wat the fuck, it was too fat

velagapati Avatar
velagapati:#43468082

>>43468007
Navalny called Georgians rodents, he is ultranationalist in not-so-well-disguise.

bassamology Avatar
bassamology:#43468116

It didn't disintegrated even in 90s. So why should it now with oil prices about 70?
Also Russia after Russian collapse already exists. It is called Ukraine

csteib Avatar
csteib:#43468118

>>43468058
Putin is a talking head. You can replace him with some else kgb guy nobody would notice. Like some Ivanov.

artheft_ua Avatar
artheft_ua:#43468119

Russian balkanization will have the same effect as cutting crap into smaller pieces. The only upside is that these shitholes will surrender nukes.

artcalvin Avatar
artcalvin:#43468130

>>43468054

Not really, 87% of Russian oil is extracted in KhMAO and YaNAO.

a_khadeko Avatar
a_khadeko:#43468144

>>43468070

All of them. Every former Soviet Republic has better quality of living than Russia.

hoangloi Avatar
hoangloi:#43468149

>>43468054
You're clueless about Russian economy. Yugra and Yamal alone are almost 60% of our oil and like 80% of our natural gas.

rohan30993 Avatar
rohan30993:#43468151

>>43468082
He is Ukrainian nationalist with Jewish mom.
https://inforesist.org/pochemu-navalnyiy-vernet-kryim/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
>Navalny is of Russian and Ukrainian descent.[17] His father is from Zalissia, a village in Ivankiv Raion, Kiev Oblast, Ukraine. Navalny grew up in Obninsk about 100 km southwest of Moscow, but spent his childhood summers with his grandmother in Ukraine

mj_berthelsen Avatar
mj_berthelsen:#43468156

>>43468144

guischmitt Avatar
guischmitt:#43468163

>>43468118
B-but his ministry of truth told him that "Putin is a Hitler of our time" and shit. Do you expect from any "free" worlder to see the whole picture, Tolyan my boy?

tereshenkov Avatar
tereshenkov:#43468165

>>43468144
>All of them. Every former Soviet Republic has better quality of living than Russia.

Which one?
Ukraine or Georgia lol?

shesgared Avatar
shesgared:#43468171

>>43468144
Sure.

terpimost Avatar
terpimost:#43468175

>>43468165
Ukraine has visa-free, FTA, IMF help, functional democracy. It's much better place with better perspectives than r*ssia.
It just lacks resources and constantly under attack by r*ssia.

romanbulah Avatar
romanbulah:#43468190

>>43468175
> functional democracy
As in constant zero function?

greenbes Avatar
greenbes:#43468196

>>43468156
>>43468165

Ukraine is better than Russia in every way possible.

hoangloi Avatar
hoangloi:#43468209

>>43468196
That's right, Ukraine has a culture of genotba, also it dug the Black Sea.

smenov Avatar
smenov:#43468214

>>43468190
> r*ssian can't understand concept of змінюваність влади

sindresorhus Avatar
sindresorhus:#43468221

If Tatarstan or Yakutia were independent, they would be among the richest countries on Earth.

lisakey1986 Avatar
lisakey1986:#43468224

>>43468214
It's when power is mined? Step on it, and it will explode?

snowwrite Avatar
snowwrite:#43468232

>>43468175
Ukraine is a transitional democracy at best. Just like Moldova and Georgia.

nicoleglynn Avatar
nicoleglynn:#43468234

>>43468221
It's don't, especially Tatarstan will fail hard compared to now.

samscouto Avatar
samscouto:#43468237

>>43468175
>Ukraine has visa-free, FTA, IMF help, functional democracy
Wew,you know who else have those things? African countries.Debt is a wonderful tool.
Ask yourself why Poland hasn't entered the euro and is starting to refuse money from groups like IMF

vladarbatov Avatar
vladarbatov:#43468249

>>43468237
Turn off your proxy, Russian shill.

oaktreemedia Avatar
oaktreemedia:#43468250

>>43468221
Oh god, stop it.

polarity Avatar
polarity:#43468254

>>43468249
Are you a real liberashka, or a putinist cosplaying liberashka?

bassamology Avatar
bassamology:#43468261

>>43468175
>Ukraine has visa-free,
90s day demo without work permission. "Visa free" lol
>FTA
That allows Ukraine only to export raws
>IMF help
Ukraine has denbts consisting 90% out of GDP. And since this year they have to start pay them.
>functional democracy
Functional democracies don't have their Parliament being ruined by some street niggers.
>It's much better place with better perspectives than r*ssia.

>Ukraine
>Perspectives

lol

horaciobella Avatar
horaciobella:#43468262

Whole Russia would be full of NATO rockets.

shesgared Avatar
shesgared:#43468263

Its really funny how Russians are okay with Muscowites being their masters

herrhaase Avatar
herrhaase:#43468265

>>43468249
>Russia shill
Nope.

irsouza Avatar
irsouza:#43468269

>>43468254
Nice. Without proxy your posts look more honest.
No Italian would say that rt-tier bullshit.

andina Avatar
andina:#43468274

>>43468254
He's playing +15D Chess with us.

tusharvikky Avatar
tusharvikky:#43468285

>>43468269
So the question still holds. Because you always can be fat, but >>43468144 tier fatness is too much.

areus Avatar
areus:#43468286

>>43468234
Yakutia has everything

oil, gas, diamonds, gold, coal and only 1mln population

jehnglynn Avatar
jehnglynn:#43468299

>>43468286

And Northern Pole of Cold

_zm Avatar
_zm:#43468302

>>43468263
There is no such thing as "muscovites". Moscow consists from people from all over ex-ussr. In my company there is not a single so-called "ethnic russian".

joshkennedy Avatar
joshkennedy:#43468304

>>43468175
>visa-free, FTA, IMF help
none of these things are good, and only a completely illiterate churkazoid retard would say otherwise, which is exactly what everyone whos posts under a russball is
also
>ukraine
>functional democracy
my fucking sides

armcivor Avatar
armcivor:#43468305

>>43467864
east of ryazan does not belong to russia.

irsouza Avatar
irsouza:#43468311

>>43468285
That wasn't my post even. Obviously ex-soviet republics which aligned itself with mordors live in shit.

bobwassermann Avatar
bobwassermann:#43468314

>>43468305
Constantinople is rightfully Russian.

aiiaiiaii Avatar
aiiaiiaii:#43468320

>>43468288

>LIEEEEES!1

arashmanteghi Avatar
arashmanteghi:#43468329

>>43468311
As Ukraine shows, quarreling with Russia isn't healthy.

jonesdigidesign Avatar
jonesdigidesign:#43468335

>>43468314
t.never set foot on it

davidsasda Avatar
davidsasda:#43468342

>>43468269
>RT-tier bullshit
C'mon now,it's a known thing
Read: http://europeanpost.co/zapatero-confirms-berlusconi-put-aside-when-rejected-imf-loan/
http://micetimes.asia/poland-refused-billion-tranche-of-the-imf/

alta1r Avatar
alta1r:#43468351

>>43468329
Ukraine would do fine. Whole world supports it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40LgnKH5qI
All of our problems stem from trying to do business with r*ssia.

p_kosov Avatar
p_kosov:#43468364

>>43468351
Before genotba grivna was 4 roubles, now it is 2.

polarity Avatar
polarity:#43468372

>>43468335
Lol

fluidbrush Avatar
fluidbrush:#43468376

>>43468286
Yakutia is an extremely underpopulated region with underdeveloped infrastructure that is very costy to maintain. It's an eternal federal budget leech despite all the resources, which in case of Sakha is just raw minerals that don't produce money supply on their own.

You're projecting memes about Yamal and Yugra on places like Sakha and Tatarstan only because they're not ethnically Russian states, even thought their economies are nothing like Western Siberia. It's 89 IQ. Please stop telling us about our country.

orkuncaylar Avatar
orkuncaylar:#43468378

>>43468364
*before r*ssian aggression
fix
also dictator burned all reserves in attempt to hold exchange rate then stoled billions and run to russia

velagapati Avatar
velagapati:#43468380

>>43468351
>Ukraine would do fine. Whole world supports it now.

+ 7 hryuven

jrxmember Avatar
jrxmember:#43468389

If russians didn't have the imperial vatnik ideology and superpower status to occupy their minds with they could actually focus on improving their nearest surroundings. Wouldn't it be great? Imagine 30+ small slav republics doing their small projects and just trying to be decent. If one republic sucked people would vote with their feet and simply move to another one, there'd be a incentive for actual improvement.

linux29 Avatar
linux29:#43468397

>>43468378

>4 years passed
>poperedniki stoled monies

Cockholes never change

m4rio Avatar
m4rio:#43468409

>>43468351
>Ukraine would do fine
Lol

subburam Avatar
subburam:#43468421

>>43468389
> Imagine 30+ small slav republics doing their small projects and just trying to be decent. If one republic sucked people would vote with their feet and simply move to another one, there'd be a incentive for actual improvement.

Such republics already exist
They are called former Yugoslavia

dutchnadia Avatar
dutchnadia:#43468432

>>43468376
In the USSR Kazakhstan was a poor shithole, now it's richer than Russia. Yakutia would be even richer than Kazakhstan.

fritzronel Avatar
fritzronel:#43468455

>>43468378
Ukraine did bad throughout all its nezalezhnost, but it did the worst under the openly Russophobic leaders.

bnquoctoan Avatar
bnquoctoan:#43468463

>>43468376
>it's an eternal federal budget leech

Because their resources are being stolen by Russian companies based in Moscow.

mbilderbach Avatar
mbilderbach:#43468464

>>43468432

>Mambetstan richer than Russia

No

bighanddesign Avatar
bighanddesign:#43468467

>>43468432
Proofs that in USSR Kazakhstan was poorer than Russia?

aluisio_azevedo Avatar
aluisio_azevedo:#43468477

>>43468378
"Russian aggression" just grabbed Crimea and Donbass. As you probably know, those are DOTATIONAL, so getting rid of them just helped Ukraine and added problems to Russia.

fatihturan Avatar
fatihturan:#43468478

>>43468463

Without Moscow Yakutia will turn into plain taiga and tundra desert becuase nobody will give money for extraction of this resosurces

malgordon Avatar
malgordon:#43468482

>>43468464
Yes, it is. It has higher GDP and people just live better. Astana didn't exist 20 years ago, now it's a thriving, modern city. Yakutsk would be like the capital of the world with this money.

fatihturan Avatar
fatihturan:#43468494

>>43468467
No one wanted to live there and they had only one, poor city. After getting independence they built a new city from scratch. Russians would never do it for them.

bighanddesign Avatar
bighanddesign:#43468495

>>43468389
I think poland need to get divided again for it's better future

turkutuuli Avatar
turkutuuli:#43468497

>>43468482
>Yes, it is. It has higher GDP
So are all countries in the world, except most 89 IQs one (Ukraine, we are talking about you).

safrankov Avatar
safrankov:#43468499

>>43468389
We've got three large Slavic nation states post-USSR. All three suck ass in different ways and feel like they manage their shit in the best possible way, while the others are clueless losers. This is how it works in reality, which is quite unlike your imagination.

smaczny Avatar
smaczny:#43468501

>>43468482

And aside from Astana it is huge shithole.
Kurwa please

syntetyc Avatar
syntetyc:#43468508

>>43468494
That's nothing, for example Turkmenistan built a golden statue of a leader.

cboller1 Avatar
cboller1:#43468544

>>43468432
You know nothing about Kazakhstan of either Soviet or modern times. Let alone Sakha. Stop pretending to be an expert on Russia.

kennyadr Avatar
kennyadr:#43468549

>>43468494
By the way, Kazakhstan exports ~3 times more oil per capita than Russia.

bergmartin Avatar
bergmartin:#43468579

>>43468501
Just like Russia, but still it's much better than in chink republics that remained part of Russia.

>>43468544
I speak Russian very well and I know a lot about Russia.

>>43468478
American companies will give money.

areus Avatar
areus:#43468586

>>43468495

I think the same man

t.Wielkopolska separatist

>>43468421

Yugoslavia was a shithole built around the cult of Tito. I'm glad it's dead and I'm not surprised it died

>>43468499

They're still to big and just as artificial as USSR was. We need to go deeper

stuartlcrawford Avatar
stuartlcrawford:#43468596

If Russia is so great why Kazakhs don't want to join Russia back?

vovkasolovev Avatar
vovkasolovev:#43468604

No, Russians are over 81 % of population and don't live everywhere, apart from North Caucasus and Tuva

stayuber Avatar
stayuber:#43468642

>>43468596
They joined all the unions Russia make.

trueblood_33 Avatar
trueblood_33:#43468651

>>43468579
Kazakhstan is afloat mostly because of oil. The only -stans that are not total hellholes are oil-producing Kazakhstan and gas-producing Turkmenistan. Sakha produces neither of that.

Whose works on the topic of Russian economy and Russian regional studies have you read lately?

ajaxy_ru Avatar
ajaxy_ru:#43468676

>>43468642
Even more so, Kazakhstan has been the driving foce of the post-Soviet integration for the last 15 years.

dwardt Avatar
dwardt:#43468694

Only ones who truly benefited from USSR collapse were Baltic states who honestly were always dragged down by USSR and super oil rich Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan

joemdesign Avatar
joemdesign:#43468711

int wouldn't be int without such "trollfull" threads.
>>43468118 is right though.

mizhgan Avatar
mizhgan:#43468725

West doesn't want Russia's dissolution, remember how in 90s they forced Ukraine and Kazakhstan to give up their nukes? They don't want to go over it again

justinrhee Avatar
justinrhee:#43468751

>>43468221
Tatarstan is surrounded by Russia from all sides, also Tatars are only 52 % there and are outnumbered by Russians even in their capital, Kazan

oscarowusu Avatar
oscarowusu:#43468782

>>43468751
You've got even lower IQ than him, lol. Do you measure poverty by the number of ethnic Russians in a given country?

nicoleglynn Avatar
nicoleglynn:#43468801

>>43468782
How exactly did he "measure poverty by the number of ethnic Russians in a given country"?

buleswapnil Avatar
buleswapnil:#43468810

Free Yakutia, Tatarstan,Yugra and Kavkaz

stop roosian leeches

emmakardaras Avatar
emmakardaras:#43468814

>>43468694

Baltoshits changed their leeching from Russia to EU
Azeris and mambets are shitholes still

stevenfabre Avatar
stevenfabre:#43468817

>>43468464
Kazakhstan was much, much poorer than Russia in 90s, now they are only slightly poorer, plus even though Astana and Almaty are richest cities there is no such income inequality like between Moscow/Petersburg and rest of Russia

funwatercat Avatar
funwatercat:#43468822

>>43468651
Yakutia has gold and diamonds.

karsh Avatar
karsh:#43468836

>>43468817
Kazakhstan was Russia-tier both in 90s and now.

michaelkoper Avatar
michaelkoper:#43468837

>>43468822
Yakuts have weak national identity, did you know that they mostly use slavic names?

cbracco Avatar
cbracco:#43468847

>>43468822
You can't get much from gold and diamonds, african countries have them too.

dmackerman Avatar
dmackerman:#43468877

>>43468847
Africans are mostly dumb, Mongols are wiser.

devankoshal Avatar
devankoshal:#43468879

>>43468837
cuz russification

Ukraine has healed from this, but they must get a boost

I think Chinese/asian brothers will help them

yigitpinarbasi Avatar
yigitpinarbasi:#43468890

>>43468836
My family moved from Ust-Kamenogorsk to Novosibirsk in early 90s, it was like moving from third world to first world, but now Russia is only 10 or 15 % richer, many Russians still live in Kazakhstan and don't want to move despite state itself becoming more and more Kazakh

madebyvadim Avatar
madebyvadim:#43468907

>>43468847
Russia same tier

Africa is robbed by the west, russian resources by oligarchs(jews)

lanceguyatt Avatar
lanceguyatt:#43468913

>>43468907
Usmanov is jew from Uzbekistan, not muslim

georgedyjr Avatar
georgedyjr:#43468946

>>43468913
Lisin also jew

rest on the list also majority jews

llun Avatar
llun:#43468965

>jewish autonum
wut that? ww

kamal_chaneman Avatar
kamal_chaneman:#43468966

>>43468946
That's why the best possible gf is Jewish. If you have a Jewish waifu, then there is a chance your grandchildren will be important.

sokaniwaal Avatar
sokaniwaal:#43468972

>>43468907
>German Khan
Is that his real name?

ryandownie Avatar
ryandownie:#43468973

>>43468913
I don't even know the guy but it took me 5 seconds to find you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov

>Usmanov, who is Muslim, married Jewish[25] Irina Viner,[26] a top rhythmic gymnastics coach, in 1992.

yassiryahya Avatar
yassiryahya:#43468976

>>43468965
Backup for Jews if Iran will nuke them.

smaczny Avatar
smaczny:#43468995

>>43468965
It was created in 30s, before Israel

chatyrko Avatar
chatyrko:#43469010

>>43468972
Yes, Russians like to be ruled by Mongols and Germans

iqbalperkasa Avatar
iqbalperkasa:#43469014

>>43468973
Why would a Muslim marry a Jewish woman? Why would a Jewish woman marry a Muslim? The answe is - he is not a Muslim, but a Jew pretending to be a Muslim to fit in a majority Muslim country.

alexcican Avatar
alexcican:#43469029

>>43469014
It's only Arab muslims who hate Jews, Central Asian muslims like Uzbeks don't have bad blood with them

exevil Avatar
exevil:#43469035

>>43469014
That's the answer in your mind.

In reality Muslims and Jews do marry each other, espeically in ex-USSR countries where religioun plays a smaller role.

tereshenkov Avatar
tereshenkov:#43469083

>>43469035
I can agree

I was in tel aviv 2 years ago, a lot of muslim-jewish women couples

arab/sudan muslim-jewish white girl